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		<title>By: Never teh Bride</title>
		<link>http://manolobrides.com/2005/11/09/outfitting-the-mature-bride/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Never teh Bride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's opne fabulous solution, oliviacw! I have found a dressmaker that would make my ultimate dress and have their web page bookmarked. I can only hope that wise, old seamstress is still alive when The Beard finally gets around to proposing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s opne fabulous solution, oliviacw! I have found a dressmaker that would make my ultimate dress and have their web page bookmarked. I can only hope that wise, old seamstress is still alive when The Beard finally gets around to proposing!</p>
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		<title>By: oliviacw</title>
		<link>http://manolobrides.com/2005/11/09/outfitting-the-mature-bride/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>oliviacw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had my wedding dress made, in part so I could have sleeves!  It was a classic style, a low square neck on a fitted bodice, elbow-length sleeves with a frill, and a full skirt and overskirt that split in the front.  Much more appropriate for my body and the church I was married in than a strapless dress would have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had my wedding dress made, in part so I could have sleeves!  It was a classic style, a low square neck on a fitted bodice, elbow-length sleeves with a frill, and a full skirt and overskirt that split in the front.  Much more appropriate for my body and the church I was married in than a strapless dress would have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Annalucia</title>
		<link>http://manolobrides.com/2005/11/09/outfitting-the-mature-bride/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Annalucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings and felicitations to the 27-year-old bride; the Annalucia hopes she will stay and visit awhile, as this blog is blessed with a gracious hostess and many intelligent and witty commenters.

The Sonetka (this is the eldest daughter of the Annalucia) was married three years ago in the strapless pale-blue gown, and though it was a great shock to see her in something other than the T-shirt and the jeans she nonetheless looked lovely.  She also had the pale silk shawl  (oblong, unfringed) which she wore during the church ceremony lest anyone be shocked by shoulders and upper arms, and which she put aside during the reception.   A very good look as it turned out, though not at all her usual style.

And the Annalucia agrees with the bride about cap sleeves.  They are an abomination to any woman who is not built like the underfed eleven-year-old boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings and felicitations to the 27-year-old bride; the Annalucia hopes she will stay and visit awhile, as this blog is blessed with a gracious hostess and many intelligent and witty commenters.</p>
<p>The Sonetka (this is the eldest daughter of the Annalucia) was married three years ago in the strapless pale-blue gown, and though it was a great shock to see her in something other than the T-shirt and the jeans she nonetheless looked lovely.  She also had the pale silk shawl  (oblong, unfringed) which she wore during the church ceremony lest anyone be shocked by shoulders and upper arms, and which she put aside during the reception.   A very good look as it turned out, though not at all her usual style.</p>
<p>And the Annalucia agrees with the bride about cap sleeves.  They are an abomination to any woman who is not built like the underfed eleven-year-old boy.</p>
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		<title>By: the 27-year-old bride</title>
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		<dc:creator>the 27-year-old bride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have great arms and I certainly do not have a perfect figure, but strapless dresses were the most flattering on me.  Short sleeves, especially cap sleeves, simply accentuate heavy arms.  Strapless dresses make one look narrow and lovely through the waist and emphasize the bust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have great arms and I certainly do not have a perfect figure, but strapless dresses were the most flattering on me.  Short sleeves, especially cap sleeves, simply accentuate heavy arms.  Strapless dresses make one look narrow and lovely through the waist and emphasize the bust.</p>
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		<title>By: The Charlotte Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Charlotte Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't understand why sleeves are out, either--and I just don't get strapless wedding gowns. Many of them, displayed on this site, are beautiful and elegant, but they're evening gowns, not wedding gowns. They don't seem appropriate for church weddings (although I know they're worn at religious weddings--the clergymen seem to have given up), and, frankly, a strapless dress looks silly with a veil, as though the bride forgot to put on any clothes between her long full skirt and her big full veil. Furthermore, they're not particularly flattering to many women, even young women. A dress can be perfectly stylish beautiful and sexy--check out Manolo's photo of Grace Kelly under "Celebrity Brides"--and also dignified and appropriate for the solemn exchange of vows that a wedding is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand why sleeves are out, either&#8211;and I just don&#8217;t get strapless wedding gowns. Many of them, displayed on this site, are beautiful and elegant, but they&#8217;re evening gowns, not wedding gowns. They don&#8217;t seem appropriate for church weddings (although I know they&#8217;re worn at religious weddings&#8211;the clergymen seem to have given up), and, frankly, a strapless dress looks silly with a veil, as though the bride forgot to put on any clothes between her long full skirt and her big full veil. Furthermore, they&#8217;re not particularly flattering to many women, even young women. A dress can be perfectly stylish beautiful and sexy&#8211;check out Manolo&#8217;s photo of Grace Kelly under &#8220;Celebrity Brides&#8221;&#8211;and also dignified and appropriate for the solemn exchange of vows that a wedding is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've also had an impossible time finding a gown with sleeves. I'm somewhere between young and mature (28) and my arms have never been my favorite feature, even when I was 18. 

Why don't the designers make gowns without sleeves? It's a question that my mother brought up while looking through catalogues, and it's a question other brides have mentioned too. So seeing it here, I know, there are lots of people out there wondering!

I wish designers could understand that 'sexy' isn't the same thing as 'showing as much skin as possible.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also had an impossible time finding a gown with sleeves. I&#8217;m somewhere between young and mature (28) and my arms have never been my favorite feature, even when I was 18. </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t the designers make gowns without sleeves? It&#8217;s a question that my mother brought up while looking through catalogues, and it&#8217;s a question other brides have mentioned too. So seeing it here, I know, there are lots of people out there wondering!</p>
<p>I wish designers could understand that &#8217;sexy&#8217; isn&#8217;t the same thing as &#8217;showing as much skin as possible.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problems with being a 50-year-old woman.  I'm not trying to look 25; in fact, I have &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; looked 25.  At 17, I looked 37 (gulp!); at 37, I looked 37; at 48, I look 37.  Nature seems to have picked an age it likes for me, and there you are.  

As a matter of fact, I look almost &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; like the wicked stepmother in Snow White.  Doubtless why I find the Anu Pam dress perfectly acceptable - as a dress.  I am also in favor of dignified and ceremonial - I'm at my most comfortable that way.  I just am not in favor of severe, or columnar, or strapless, or plain - so many of the adjectives that seem to accompany descriptions of dresses for the "mature" bride (and which, IMO, could often be replaced with the word "drab."  Or "dreary.") 

As a matter of fact, both the gowns which I made for the Wonderful Bride and the Bad Bride had sleeves.  The Bad Bride had Elizabethan sleeves (white velvet trimmed in gold, with the upper puff slashed with green and gold brocade).  The Wonderful Bride ... she wanted to dance later, but was self-conscious about her arms.  So I wound up designing an overdress of silver-embroidered organza, which incorporated the sleeves she wanted (the top of the sleeve was bishop-style, with a gauntlet that ended in points over the hand, the whole thing mounted on a sheer peach organza undersleeve) into the train, which buttoned down the front, jacket style, over the gown.  It had a small standing half-collar, and a two-yard train.  I designed it so the train looked like one piece with the gown (it had the same sweetheart neckline), but the gown looked complete when the train came off.  The gown had a sleeveless satin bodice, covered with the silver-embroidered organza, and a silver organza tablier front on the satin skirt.  Nothing more entertaining than invisibly boning a sheer organza garment, let me tell you.  Plus endless yards of silver-embroidered scallops, which I carefully cut off and then &lt;i&gt;sewed back on.&lt;/i&gt;  Aggghh.

I just would like a happy, celebratory dress that didn't look as if it could stand in for a government function.  

That I didn't have to make myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problems with being a 50-year-old woman.  I&#8217;m not trying to look 25; in fact, I have <i>never</i> looked 25.  At 17, I looked 37 (gulp!); at 37, I looked 37; at 48, I look 37.  Nature seems to have picked an age it likes for me, and there you are.  </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, I look almost <i>exactly</i> like the wicked stepmother in Snow White.  Doubtless why I find the Anu Pam dress perfectly acceptable - as a dress.  I am also in favor of dignified and ceremonial - I&#8217;m at my most comfortable that way.  I just am not in favor of severe, or columnar, or strapless, or plain - so many of the adjectives that seem to accompany descriptions of dresses for the &#8220;mature&#8221; bride (and which, IMO, could often be replaced with the word &#8220;drab.&#8221;  Or &#8220;dreary.&#8221;) </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, both the gowns which I made for the Wonderful Bride and the Bad Bride had sleeves.  The Bad Bride had Elizabethan sleeves (white velvet trimmed in gold, with the upper puff slashed with green and gold brocade).  The Wonderful Bride &#8230; she wanted to dance later, but was self-conscious about her arms.  So I wound up designing an overdress of silver-embroidered organza, which incorporated the sleeves she wanted (the top of the sleeve was bishop-style, with a gauntlet that ended in points over the hand, the whole thing mounted on a sheer peach organza undersleeve) into the train, which buttoned down the front, jacket style, over the gown.  It had a small standing half-collar, and a two-yard train.  I designed it so the train looked like one piece with the gown (it had the same sweetheart neckline), but the gown looked complete when the train came off.  The gown had a sleeveless satin bodice, covered with the silver-embroidered organza, and a silver organza tablier front on the satin skirt.  Nothing more entertaining than invisibly boning a sheer organza garment, let me tell you.  Plus endless yards of silver-embroidered scallops, which I carefully cut off and then <i>sewed back on.</i>  Aggghh.</p>
<p>I just would like a happy, celebratory dress that didn&#8217;t look as if it could stand in for a government function.  </p>
<p>That I didn&#8217;t have to make myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Never teh Bride</title>
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		<dc:creator>Never teh Bride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, Jane C!</description>
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		<title>By: Jane C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori, yes, some people make wedding dresses with sleeves...Mormons!  

http://www.eternitygowns.com/assets/bridal/2005spring/8109.htm
http://www.ldsbrides.com/gowns/gown_info.php?id=109&#38;pg=0&#38;style=16
http://www.allurebridals.com/modest.asp?ID=20

Some of the gowns just look like white prom dresses to me, but considering how many Mormon girls get married right out of high school that's probably understandable.  

Me, I'm Catholic and not yet officially engaged, but my boyfriend and I have discussed getting married in Rome, and some of the Roman churches have very strict dress codes, a la St. Peter's--no sleeveless, no backless, no visible clevage, etc.--so I've been checking out Mormon wedding dresses, since they're the only ones that seem to live up to the standard of modesty of some churches, and still manage to be relatively pretty.  

This is a problem you might address in future, Never teh Bride:  the bride whose church/religion won't let her wear whatever she wants, but who still wants to be gorgeous on her big day.    Not a big audience, perhaps, but she's out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori, yes, some people make wedding dresses with sleeves&#8230;Mormons!  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.eternitygowns.com/assets/bridal/2005spring/8109.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.eternitygowns.com/assets/bridal/2005spring/8109.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ldsbrides.com/gowns/gown_info.php?id=109&amp;pg=0&amp;style=16" rel="nofollow">http://www.ldsbrides.com/gowns/gown_info.php?id=109&amp;pg=0&amp;style=16</a><br />
<a href="http://www.allurebridals.com/modest.asp?ID=20" rel="nofollow">http://www.allurebridals.com/modest.asp?ID=20</a></p>
<p>Some of the gowns just look like white prom dresses to me, but considering how many Mormon girls get married right out of high school that&#8217;s probably understandable.  </p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m Catholic and not yet officially engaged, but my boyfriend and I have discussed getting married in Rome, and some of the Roman churches have very strict dress codes, a la St. Peter&#8217;s&#8211;no sleeveless, no backless, no visible clevage, etc.&#8211;so I&#8217;ve been checking out Mormon wedding dresses, since they&#8217;re the only ones that seem to live up to the standard of modesty of some churches, and still manage to be relatively pretty.  </p>
<p>This is a problem you might address in future, Never teh Bride:  the bride whose church/religion won&#8217;t let her wear whatever she wants, but who still wants to be gorgeous on her big day.    Not a big audience, perhaps, but she&#8217;s out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Never teh Bride</title>
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		<dc:creator>Never teh Bride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, Lori! I love sleeved dresses of a certain style, but I never seem to come across any! Most of the sleeved dresses I see when surfing around are "vintage" (apparently the 80's are vintage now) and look straight out of a Dynasty episode. 

That being the case, I wonder if the majority of the current hot designers are laboring under the assuption that every girl wants a summertime wedding? And, of course, that we're all 5'10" and 116 pounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Lori! I love sleeved dresses of a certain style, but I never seem to come across any! Most of the sleeved dresses I see when surfing around are &#8220;vintage&#8221; (apparently the 80&#8217;s are vintage now) and look straight out of a Dynasty episode. </p>
<p>That being the case, I wonder if the majority of the current hot designers are laboring under the assuption that every girl wants a summertime wedding? And, of course, that we&#8217;re all 5&#8242;10&#8243; and 116 pounds.</p>
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