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		<title>By: JaneC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JaneC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother decided--without consulting us--to hire a band that I really liked for the reception.  She knew I was very fond of that band and that my husband would like them too (he likes that kind of music although he&#039;d never heard that particular band play before), but we had only been planning to have recorded music for the reception.  I was pleasantly surprised by my mom&#039;s move, but Mr. Jane thought my mother was being pushy.  He still sometimes sees pushiness or meddling in my mom&#039;s behavior when I don&#039;t see it, but maybe they&#039;ll come to an understanding someday.  Mr. Jane ended up absolutely loving the band. (That&#039;s the thing about my mom that I think Mr. Jane hasn&#039;t learned yet--she may come across as interfering, but the people she bosses around end up happy 99% of the time.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother decided&#8211;without consulting us&#8211;to hire a band that I really liked for the reception.  She knew I was very fond of that band and that my husband would like them too (he likes that kind of music although he&#8217;d never heard that particular band play before), but we had only been planning to have recorded music for the reception.  I was pleasantly surprised by my mom&#8217;s move, but Mr. Jane thought my mother was being pushy.  He still sometimes sees pushiness or meddling in my mom&#8217;s behavior when I don&#8217;t see it, but maybe they&#8217;ll come to an understanding someday.  Mr. Jane ended up absolutely loving the band. (That&#8217;s the thing about my mom that I think Mr. Jane hasn&#8217;t learned yet&#8211;she may come across as interfering, but the people she bosses around end up happy 99% of the time.)</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s odd because everyone is being so hands off with us even though they are paying, they just gave us the money and let us spend it how we see fit !  Sometimes it&#039;s kinda like I wish someone else WOULD make a decision !  Like I was with two of my Bridesmaids yesterday and they were like &quot;how do you want our hair ?&quot; I was like Umm... IDK.... there&#039;ll be a stylist, just decide how you want it to look ? LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s odd because everyone is being so hands off with us even though they are paying, they just gave us the money and let us spend it how we see fit !  Sometimes it&#8217;s kinda like I wish someone else WOULD make a decision !  Like I was with two of my Bridesmaids yesterday and they were like &#8220;how do you want our hair ?&#8221; I was like Umm&#8230; IDK&#8230;. there&#8217;ll be a stylist, just decide how you want it to look ? LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Twistie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twistie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KES, the song was Farewell to Tarwathie. If you want to see the lyrics, here they are: http://www.contemplator.com/tunebook/scotland/tarwath.htm

Nariya, that sort of cultural expectation is precisely why I said everyone should discuss who is in charge of what. The thing that bothered me more than the fact that Toula didn&#039;t get to choose anything in the movie was the fact that she obviously expected she would be making these decisions. When she started talking about choosing invitations, she found her mother had already ordered them. When she said she would think about the fabric for the bridesmaids dresses, her cousin bought the fabric, designed the dress, had it made up for everyone and got matching earrings made all while Toula still thought she had a choice about what fabric would be used, let alone how it would be cut and what jewelry everyone would wear. If everyone had sat down and talked about who was in charge of what, then she could either have demanded control over the parts that mattered most to her or sat back secure in the knowledge that everything was taken care of. It was the mixed expectations that caused the most problems.

NtB, sometimes being left on your own to do thing is actually easier. My brother and SIL made dozens of concessions large and small to her controlling father in hopes that making him happy would mean he would attend. Did he show? He did not. Did he bother sending his regrets? No. Did we all have a good time without him? Hell, yeah!

Of course, that was an extreme example, but I&#039;ve known several women who were nearly bald by their wedding days from tearing their hair out trying to juggle the warring expectations of two extended families with very different philosophies about how weddings should be conducted. Never forget, there was my good friend who spent the night before her wedding scouring the woods because her groom&#039;s family was convinced it would never be clean enough for the purpose of joining two people in matrimony.

class-factotum, you are not alone. I thought Ian was kind of generic, too. Cute enough, and easygoing, but that was about it. I&#039;ve known plenty of cats that fill that particular bill.

Anastasia, that&#039;s the way to milk your own frog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KES, the song was Farewell to Tarwathie. If you want to see the lyrics, here they are: <a href="http://www.contemplator.com/tunebook/scotland/tarwath.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.contemplator.com/tunebook/scotland/tarwath.htm</a></p>
<p>Nariya, that sort of cultural expectation is precisely why I said everyone should discuss who is in charge of what. The thing that bothered me more than the fact that Toula didn&#8217;t get to choose anything in the movie was the fact that she obviously expected she would be making these decisions. When she started talking about choosing invitations, she found her mother had already ordered them. When she said she would think about the fabric for the bridesmaids dresses, her cousin bought the fabric, designed the dress, had it made up for everyone and got matching earrings made all while Toula still thought she had a choice about what fabric would be used, let alone how it would be cut and what jewelry everyone would wear. If everyone had sat down and talked about who was in charge of what, then she could either have demanded control over the parts that mattered most to her or sat back secure in the knowledge that everything was taken care of. It was the mixed expectations that caused the most problems.</p>
<p>NtB, sometimes being left on your own to do thing is actually easier. My brother and SIL made dozens of concessions large and small to her controlling father in hopes that making him happy would mean he would attend. Did he show? He did not. Did he bother sending his regrets? No. Did we all have a good time without him? Hell, yeah!</p>
<p>Of course, that was an extreme example, but I&#8217;ve known several women who were nearly bald by their wedding days from tearing their hair out trying to juggle the warring expectations of two extended families with very different philosophies about how weddings should be conducted. Never forget, there was my good friend who spent the night before her wedding scouring the woods because her groom&#8217;s family was convinced it would never be clean enough for the purpose of joining two people in matrimony.</p>
<p>class-factotum, you are not alone. I thought Ian was kind of generic, too. Cute enough, and easygoing, but that was about it. I&#8217;ve known plenty of cats that fill that particular bill.</p>
<p>Anastasia, that&#8217;s the way to milk your own frog!</p>
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		<title>By: class-factotum</title>
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		<dc:creator>class-factotum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off-topic -- but in the movie, is it just me or was there no chemistry between the Greek girl and the boring, bland guy? I honestly couldn&#039;t see what she saw in him other than his generic frat-boy good looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off-topic &#8212; but in the movie, is it just me or was there no chemistry between the Greek girl and the boring, bland guy? I honestly couldn&#8217;t see what she saw in him other than his generic frat-boy good looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anastasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anastasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as I met Mr. Anastasia, my mother started planning the wedding. My friends started planning the wedding. His parents started as well. 
Everybody told me they hated the music I wanted (something cuban and old), my mother hated the dress I wanted and wanted to get the dress from her designer friend and his parents hated the location and wanted me to wear long gloves (don&#039;t ask), the friends wanted a party with lots of silly, humiliating games and hated my plan of a nice party with dancing and no games or humiliation whatsoever.
But, said me and the Mister, this is supposed to be the happiest day of our life. 
What you all want is not what we want.
And so we eloped and got married on the Seychelles, with the music and the dress and   without the gloves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I met Mr. Anastasia, my mother started planning the wedding. My friends started planning the wedding. His parents started as well.<br />
Everybody told me they hated the music I wanted (something cuban and old), my mother hated the dress I wanted and wanted to get the dress from her designer friend and his parents hated the location and wanted me to wear long gloves (don&#8217;t ask), the friends wanted a party with lots of silly, humiliating games and hated my plan of a nice party with dancing and no games or humiliation whatsoever.<br />
But, said me and the Mister, this is supposed to be the happiest day of our life.<br />
What you all want is not what we want.<br />
And so we eloped and got married on the Seychelles, with the music and the dress and   without the gloves.</p>
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		<title>By: Never teh Bride</title>
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		<dc:creator>Never teh Bride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, I was always disappointed that other people didn&#039;t take more initiative as our two sets of parents were doing the paying! But now hearing about how it might have been, a la MBFGW, perhaps I should just count myself lucky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, I was always disappointed that other people didn&#8217;t take more initiative as our two sets of parents were doing the paying! But now hearing about how it might have been, a la MBFGW, perhaps I should just count myself lucky!</p>
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		<title>By: Nariya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nariya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family&#039;s Indian, and I married a white American guy. We had an Indian wedding because I wanted one, but with that came an entire package. A traditional Indian wedding means that the bride&#039;s parents do everything. And I mean, everything.

Since I grew up here and both my parents have been here for many many years, we took many American ideas into account. The bride having some say in the wedding is one of them, so I did have a say in all the details that mattered to me. However, in many cultures, the bride and groom are not supposed to be involved in the wedding preparations. They are considered the guests of honor. Why would they stress out about planning?

That being said, of course that movie exaggerates hilariously. But I think that it&#039;s important to consider that different cultures do it different ways. The bride planning her wedding is a singularly western and modern tradition. My mom didn&#039;t plan hers, and neither did some of my cousins or my aunts. There were a lot of things I did not decide about mine--what song I would walk down the aisle to, for example--and the ceremony required some things being certain ways that I perhaps wouldn&#039;t have chosen myself. And my husband? Well, he was just happy he was marrying me, and sat through the whole thing with excellent grace (and some happiness too!) But I wouldn&#039;t have had an American-style ceremony for the world.  It&#039;s just a different way of doing things! :)

There&#039;s one scene in the movie Monsoon Wedding that kind of shows this mentality. The bride and her mom and sisters are out shopping for what she&#039;s going to wear. The bride&#039;s family goes into a shop and oohs and aahs over dresses... and the bride goes off to buy a popsicle! And her mom doesn&#039;t even find it weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family&#8217;s Indian, and I married a white American guy. We had an Indian wedding because I wanted one, but with that came an entire package. A traditional Indian wedding means that the bride&#8217;s parents do everything. And I mean, everything.</p>
<p>Since I grew up here and both my parents have been here for many many years, we took many American ideas into account. The bride having some say in the wedding is one of them, so I did have a say in all the details that mattered to me. However, in many cultures, the bride and groom are not supposed to be involved in the wedding preparations. They are considered the guests of honor. Why would they stress out about planning?</p>
<p>That being said, of course that movie exaggerates hilariously. But I think that it&#8217;s important to consider that different cultures do it different ways. The bride planning her wedding is a singularly western and modern tradition. My mom didn&#8217;t plan hers, and neither did some of my cousins or my aunts. There were a lot of things I did not decide about mine&#8211;what song I would walk down the aisle to, for example&#8211;and the ceremony required some things being certain ways that I perhaps wouldn&#8217;t have chosen myself. And my husband? Well, he was just happy he was marrying me, and sat through the whole thing with excellent grace (and some happiness too!) But I wouldn&#8217;t have had an American-style ceremony for the world.  It&#8217;s just a different way of doing things! <img src='http://manolobrides.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There&#8217;s one scene in the movie Monsoon Wedding that kind of shows this mentality. The bride and her mom and sisters are out shopping for what she&#8217;s going to wear. The bride&#8217;s family goes into a shop and oohs and aahs over dresses&#8230; and the bride goes off to buy a popsicle! And her mom doesn&#8217;t even find it weird.</p>
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		<title>By: KES</title>
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		<dc:creator>KES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My FI and I are totally milking this frog ourselves, mostly because my parents really have no money (though poor mom is still talking about helping, despite my dad&#039;s continuing unemployment), and his parents haven&#039;t volunteered. Also, they&#039;re just really respectful of us and our decisions in this process, which I am extremely grateful for.
Just out of curiosity, your brother&#039;s whaling song isn&#039;t &quot;Boston and St. Johns&quot; by Great Big Sea, is it? Because that&#039;s quite possibly what FI and I would have danced to were we dancing at our wedding. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My FI and I are totally milking this frog ourselves, mostly because my parents really have no money (though poor mom is still talking about helping, despite my dad&#8217;s continuing unemployment), and his parents haven&#8217;t volunteered. Also, they&#8217;re just really respectful of us and our decisions in this process, which I am extremely grateful for.<br />
Just out of curiosity, your brother&#8217;s whaling song isn&#8217;t &#8220;Boston and St. Johns&#8221; by Great Big Sea, is it? Because that&#8217;s quite possibly what FI and I would have danced to were we dancing at our wedding. <img src='http://manolobrides.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dianasaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianasaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents paid for most of the wedding budget, and my husband&#039;s parents paid for some as well.  I made it clear from the very beginning that two things I wanted the majority of the budget for were location and photographer.  I still shopped around for good deals on what I wanted, but by letting everyone know up front how important those were for me, it saved a lot of hassle in people trying to decide it for me.  

My mom did end up spending $ on things that I didn&#039;t really care about, which was a source of frustration for me.  But I have a wonderful father who loves us both and told me not to include those things as part of the budget.  He really helped prevent arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents paid for most of the wedding budget, and my husband&#8217;s parents paid for some as well.  I made it clear from the very beginning that two things I wanted the majority of the budget for were location and photographer.  I still shopped around for good deals on what I wanted, but by letting everyone know up front how important those were for me, it saved a lot of hassle in people trying to decide it for me.  </p>
<p>My mom did end up spending $ on things that I didn&#8217;t really care about, which was a source of frustration for me.  But I have a wonderful father who loves us both and told me not to include those things as part of the budget.  He really helped prevent arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with your assessment of MBFGW, Twistie.  I think it&#039;s a cute movie, but thinking about weddings and wedding planning more has given me a different perspective.  I re-watched it on TV last night and was appalled that poor Toula didn&#039;t even get to pick her own dress!

I&#039;ve seen tons of posts about money/control issues on the bridal message board I&#039;ve been visiting recently.  A lot of people could benefit from the advice you just gave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with your assessment of MBFGW, Twistie.  I think it&#8217;s a cute movie, but thinking about weddings and wedding planning more has given me a different perspective.  I re-watched it on TV last night and was appalled that poor Toula didn&#8217;t even get to pick her own dress!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen tons of posts about money/control issues on the bridal message board I&#8217;ve been visiting recently.  A lot of people could benefit from the advice you just gave.</p>
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