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		<title>By: Twistie</title>
		<link>http://manolobrides.com/2009/03/24/a-feminist-wedding-make-that-an-examined-wedding/comment-page-1/#comment-354255</link>
		<dc:creator>Twistie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nor does it make you obviously and unquestionably ridiculous to consider the matter according to your personal belief system and political priorities.

I&#039;m not going to get into a huge debate over feminist politics because this isn&#039;t the forum for it. I will, however, say that the definition of feminism is simply that of believing that women should be treated as full human beings legally. We disagree on a lot of political issues, too. We come from every political party, as well as every color in the rainbow. We made it possible for women to debate the relative intelligence/silliness of changing our names when we marry.

And you&#039;re welcome, Karol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor does it make you obviously and unquestionably ridiculous to consider the matter according to your personal belief system and political priorities.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to get into a huge debate over feminist politics because this isn&#8217;t the forum for it. I will, however, say that the definition of feminism is simply that of believing that women should be treated as full human beings legally. We disagree on a lot of political issues, too. We come from every political party, as well as every color in the rainbow. We made it possible for women to debate the relative intelligence/silliness of changing our names when we marry.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re welcome, Karol.</p>
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		<title>By: Karol</title>
		<link>http://manolobrides.com/2009/03/24/a-feminist-wedding-make-that-an-examined-wedding/comment-page-1/#comment-353986</link>
		<dc:creator>Karol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re having a very examined wedding but gag me with a spoon before you call me a feminist.  Feminism has come to mean a narrow type of behavior and thought for women.  We must conform and obey.  If you stray off this reservation, like, say, Sarah Palin, oh the wrath you endure.

Valenti&#039;s whole patriarchy complaint is sort of ridiculous (taking her mom&#039;s last name?  I mean, HONESTLY).  It doesn&#039;t make you stronger as a woman to reject your husband&#039;s name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re having a very examined wedding but gag me with a spoon before you call me a feminist.  Feminism has come to mean a narrow type of behavior and thought for women.  We must conform and obey.  If you stray off this reservation, like, say, Sarah Palin, oh the wrath you endure.</p>
<p>Valenti&#8217;s whole patriarchy complaint is sort of ridiculous (taking her mom&#8217;s last name?  I mean, HONESTLY).  It doesn&#8217;t make you stronger as a woman to reject your husband&#8217;s name.</p>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;Bridezilla,&quot; used by someone to mock the choice or choices of a stranger to him or her, is not &quot;fun.&quot;  It is not done in fun, it is not funny, it is not done lightly.  At this point, it has evolved into an abusive term used by  bullies in the hopes of beating someone out of a choice that they themselves would not have made.  It is often used as a club to beat someone who is behaving in a perfectly reasonable manner, i.e., someone who wants the caterer to return her calls.

When someone actually calls them on it, a lot of bullies will try to slither out of responsibility for their behaviour by claiming “it’s just a joke” or “nobody takes it seriously!”  That’s the excuse bullies often use to deflect the disapproval they richly merit.   

Kathryn Jean Lopez threw verbal rocks at someone who is, as far as I can tell, a complete stranger to her. To add insult to injury, nine-tenths of what she &quot;wrote&quot; was lifted directly from Ms. Valenti.  I think if you&#039;re going to steal someone else&#039;s work and present yourself as a &quot;columnist,&quot; you should either be more respectful of the source material or write your own damned column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;Bridezilla,&#8221; used by someone to mock the choice or choices of a stranger to him or her, is not &#8220;fun.&#8221;  It is not done in fun, it is not funny, it is not done lightly.  At this point, it has evolved into an abusive term used by  bullies in the hopes of beating someone out of a choice that they themselves would not have made.  It is often used as a club to beat someone who is behaving in a perfectly reasonable manner, i.e., someone who wants the caterer to return her calls.</p>
<p>When someone actually calls them on it, a lot of bullies will try to slither out of responsibility for their behaviour by claiming “it’s just a joke” or “nobody takes it seriously!”  That’s the excuse bullies often use to deflect the disapproval they richly merit.   </p>
<p>Kathryn Jean Lopez threw verbal rocks at someone who is, as far as I can tell, a complete stranger to her. To add insult to injury, nine-tenths of what she &#8220;wrote&#8221; was lifted directly from Ms. Valenti.  I think if you&#8217;re going to steal someone else&#8217;s work and present yourself as a &#8220;columnist,&#8221; you should either be more respectful of the source material or write your own damned column.</p>
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		<title>By: class factotum</title>
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		<dc:creator>class factotum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennie, I got married last fall at the age of 44. I am not philosophically opposed to changing my name because I really don&#039;t care that much. My given last name is apparently a difficult one for people to understand and spell and my husband&#039;s name in theory is easy (but I guess people think it shouldn&#039;t be that easy so they always ask so now I am spelling it anyhow), so it wasn&#039;t a difficult decision in theory for me to change my name, but once we got married, it was hard! 

First of all, I really cannot stand my husband&#039;s parents, not the least because they told him two weeks before our wedding that they weren&#039;t coming and he shouldn&#039;t marry me. No, this wasn&#039;t a surprise -- this has been their attitude all along. But then, yeah -- this has been my name for 44 years and it was a lot harder than I thought to give it up. I continue to use it when I identify myself and only use my husband&#039;s last name when I sign official documents. And it was a PAIN IN THE NECK to change it legally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennie, I got married last fall at the age of 44. I am not philosophically opposed to changing my name because I really don&#8217;t care that much. My given last name is apparently a difficult one for people to understand and spell and my husband&#8217;s name in theory is easy (but I guess people think it shouldn&#8217;t be that easy so they always ask so now I am spelling it anyhow), so it wasn&#8217;t a difficult decision in theory for me to change my name, but once we got married, it was hard! </p>
<p>First of all, I really cannot stand my husband&#8217;s parents, not the least because they told him two weeks before our wedding that they weren&#8217;t coming and he shouldn&#8217;t marry me. No, this wasn&#8217;t a surprise &#8212; this has been their attitude all along. But then, yeah &#8212; this has been my name for 44 years and it was a lot harder than I thought to give it up. I continue to use it when I identify myself and only use my husband&#8217;s last name when I sign official documents. And it was a PAIN IN THE NECK to change it legally.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, my name will always be somewhat patriarch based.  But honestly, it was my name for 30 years until I got married.  It was sooooo easy to change when I got married and a complete bitch to change back when I got divorced.  If you really look at marriage stats, DON&#039;T CHANGE YOUR NAME!  You&#039;ll just have to reverse it later!  Why should I change my name?  Why doesn&#039;t he change his?  We&#039;ve progressed beyond the ownership symbolism of adopting his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, my name will always be somewhat patriarch based.  But honestly, it was my name for 30 years until I got married.  It was sooooo easy to change when I got married and a complete bitch to change back when I got divorced.  If you really look at marriage stats, DON&#8217;T CHANGE YOUR NAME!  You&#8217;ll just have to reverse it later!  Why should I change my name?  Why doesn&#8217;t he change his?  We&#8217;ve progressed beyond the ownership symbolism of adopting his name.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;ve noticed that my longer comments tend to get held up -- I suspect the spamcatcher is programmed to snag anything past a certain length.

As far as the NRO post goes, I&#039;m puzzled by this Kathryn Lopez person -- she just reposted what Valenti wrote as though it were so obviously ridiculous as to need no comment.  I didn&#039;t see anything ridiculous in what Valenti wrote.  Clearly I&#039;m not on the same wavelength.  Not sure I want to be, frankly, if what SerenityNow said is true.

And Bitter, I have to disagree about bridezilla being a term used all in fun these days -- I&#039;ve seen it used in extremely nasty and negative ways on various message boards and blogs, for such sins as wanting the caterer to return their calls, wanting to walk down the aisle alone, and being disappointed when the best man flakes out and doesn&#039;t show up for the rehearsal.  Sometimes it&#039;s just a joke, but sometimes it&#039;s designed to hurt the bride or bully them into doing things someone else&#039;s way.  I absolutely got the vibe that Ms. Lopez was using it in the non-fun sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;ve noticed that my longer comments tend to get held up &#8212; I suspect the spamcatcher is programmed to snag anything past a certain length.</p>
<p>As far as the NRO post goes, I&#8217;m puzzled by this Kathryn Lopez person &#8212; she just reposted what Valenti wrote as though it were so obviously ridiculous as to need no comment.  I didn&#8217;t see anything ridiculous in what Valenti wrote.  Clearly I&#8217;m not on the same wavelength.  Not sure I want to be, frankly, if what SerenityNow said is true.</p>
<p>And Bitter, I have to disagree about bridezilla being a term used all in fun these days &#8212; I&#8217;ve seen it used in extremely nasty and negative ways on various message boards and blogs, for such sins as wanting the caterer to return their calls, wanting to walk down the aisle alone, and being disappointed when the best man flakes out and doesn&#8217;t show up for the rehearsal.  Sometimes it&#8217;s just a joke, but sometimes it&#8217;s designed to hurt the bride or bully them into doing things someone else&#8217;s way.  I absolutely got the vibe that Ms. Lopez was using it in the non-fun sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Twistie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twistie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, my comment have found their way into the spamcatcher on more than one occasion, and that SINCE I started writing for this blog. We have no control over which messages get posted immediately and which wind up in moderation.

If we did, my comments would never need to be moderated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, my comment have found their way into the spamcatcher on more than one occasion, and that SINCE I started writing for this blog. We have no control over which messages get posted immediately and which wind up in moderation.</p>
<p>If we did, my comments would never need to be moderated.</p>
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		<title>By: BrieCS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrieCS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing that didn’t get decided for me for my wedding was my dress, mostly because it was super-cheap. My family admitted, begrudgingly, that the dress was “so me”, but it is still the most original, beautiful dress I could imagine wearing with the budget we had at the time. It should be up to the bride, not anyone else, what she wears on her wedding day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing that didn’t get decided for me for my wedding was my dress, mostly because it was super-cheap. My family admitted, begrudgingly, that the dress was “so me”, but it is still the most original, beautiful dress I could imagine wearing with the budget we had at the time. It should be up to the bride, not anyone else, what she wears on her wedding day.</p>
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		<title>By: class factotum</title>
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		<dc:creator>class factotum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think it&#039;s interesting that someone would not want to take her husband&#039;s name as way to strike against the patriarchy but would then keep the name she got from her father. Or take the name her mother got from her father. Unless you make up a last name, you are at some point endorsing the patriarchy by taking a father&#039;s name from somewhere in the line, aren&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think it&#8217;s interesting that someone would not want to take her husband&#8217;s name as way to strike against the patriarchy but would then keep the name she got from her father. Or take the name her mother got from her father. Unless you make up a last name, you are at some point endorsing the patriarchy by taking a father&#8217;s name from somewhere in the line, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: LPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meg at A Practical Wedding is saying similar things. I, while no expert, am also saying similar things. Hmm. Goes without saying that I agree with you. Still a feminist myself, after 52 years of life. http://amidlifeofprivilege.blogspot.com/2009/03/when-in-doubt-deconstruct.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meg at A Practical Wedding is saying similar things. I, while no expert, am also saying similar things. Hmm. Goes without saying that I agree with you. Still a feminist myself, after 52 years of life. <a href="http://amidlifeofprivilege.blogspot.com/2009/03/when-in-doubt-deconstruct.html" rel="nofollow">http://amidlifeofprivilege.blogspot.com/2009/03/when-in-doubt-deconstruct.html</a></p>
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